- 1 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/05/11(日) 12:14:09 ID:SzouoRQT]
- ■前スレ
『太陽誘電』専用スレ その19スピンドル
pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cdr/1205656600/l50
DVD-Rもマクセルが台湾に移管が決まり、TDKは記録型ＣＤ・ＤＶＤ製品生産からの撤退
CD-Rの時と同様に唯一の日本製メディアになりそうな太陽誘電についてﾏﾀｰﾘ語るスレです
コストダウンに伴い品質低下が叫ばれる中、かつての品質に戻ることはこの先あるのか？
■関連スレ
焼いたDVD系メディアをひたすら計測するスレ Vol.10
pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cdr/1194166447/
焼いたCD-RをひたすらCD Doctorで計測するスレその2
pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cdr/1054993776/
DVD-Rの品質を格付けするスレ 21枚目
pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cdr/1204386118/
秋葉原 DVD-R 安売り店情報 １８号店
pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cdr/1183164157/
- 350 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/18(金) 18:30:07 ID:VlePatXc]
- >>338-339
スタパってけっこうまじめなんだな…
bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/desktop/22532.html
- 351 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/18(金) 21:07:23 ID:45htN5HJ]
- でもさ、スタパは自腹でやってたときはいいけど
商品提供企業から金もらって記事を書き始めてから
つまらなくなったと思うんだよねー
- 352 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/20(日) 07:52:39 ID:4GMnGEDq]
- スタパはフリーオ使ってる？
- 353 名前：働かざるもの＠ねこまんま ◆lIXNRkFWlY mailto:sage [2008/07/20(日) 14:20:17 ID:7MPsMlkR]
- >>350
オレは後生大事にファイル残しておく派
仕事のファイルは完璧に残しておく。以前いた会社のまでｗ
なんか雛形とか、いつか使いそうな気がして。
- 354 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/22(火) 19:00:37 ID:2z0D3aQ0]
- 有機色素BD見る限り、誘電神話は終わったと思う
- 355 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/22(火) 19:01:07 ID:eVYwYaEE]
- 同感。
- 356 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 12:01:48 ID:y0JadYTs]
- 最近傷だらけの多いけど なんか手抜いてる？
50枚中10枚は傷あってうまく焼けないぞ。
- 357 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 12:39:13 ID:w1XpQy1x]
- 太陽誘電 DR-47WPY50BN [16倍速データ用4.7GB/プリンタブル白/50枚バルクケース]
￥1,985 (税込)
太陽誘電 DVD-R47WPYSBA [8倍速データ用DVD-R 4.7GB/プリンタブル/バルク50枚入]
￥1,999 (税込)
8倍速の方が高いけど何でなの？
あとどちらがおすすめですか？
- 358 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 13:38:39 ID:k69qg1b/]
- えらく安いな
8倍の方が高いのは需要
- 359 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 20:11:36 ID:y/GETPfo]
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- 361 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 20:15:36 ID:y/GETPfo]
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- 365 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 20:23:22 ID:xAa6bMMw]
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- 367 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/23(水) 20:39:16 ID:xdErrSzp]
- >>357
今じゃどっちも大差ないほどの微妙な品質だから、好きな方買っとけ。
- 368 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 21:32:56 ID:HxzWIH9V]
- 相性いいドライブでオススメなのある？
オプティの7200S買おうと思ってたけど
スレ読む限りパイオニアのが相性いいっぽいね。
- 369 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/23(水) 22:46:11 ID:dBtLxjLg]
- アナログ用の8倍速メディアって、そろそろ生産が終わりそうかい？
- 370 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 23:06:01 ID:w1XpQy1x]
- >>358
>>367
レスありがとうございます
- 371 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/24(木) 14:01:03 ID:KY4ogWbw]
- 誘電のブルーレイ、評判悪いの？
DVDはまだ健在？
- 372 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/24(木) 15:53:25 ID:9mzeR0RA]
- >>368
誘電だったらどこのドライブでも綺麗に焼けるから心配すんな
計測とかしないんだったらπで良いんじゃない？
- 373 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/25(金) 21:00:21 ID:cG978f4t]
- >372
計測というものをしたごとがないので
１から解説してくれたらやってみようかと。
- 374 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/25(金) 23:16:33 ID:59Z8PvQf]
- >>371
誘電のBD-RはLTHしかないから、使ってるヒトあんまりいないんじゃない？
- 375 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/25(金) 23:32:13 ID:703BkmBo]
- 受身でしか学習する気の無い人には計測は無理だからやめとけ
- 376 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/26(土) 02:50:37 ID:xDsJQz8g]
- ヨドバシカメラで16倍速50枚スピンドル買ったけど2倍速でしか書き込めないよ
- 377 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/26(土) 08:41:47 ID:44N1k267]
- しらんがな
- 378 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/26(土) 09:33:16 ID:CDtxG0lX]
- し
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- 379 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/26(土) 09:35:24 ID:CDtxG0lX]
- ん
がな
- 380 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/26(土) 18:15:24 ID:rRYqgGMx]
- >>376
ドライブは対応してんのか？
- 381 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/26(土) 20:36:40 ID:xDsJQz8g]
- 最大20倍速書込みのドライブと最大4倍速のドライブ
どっちも2倍速書込みしか出来ない
それ以上でやるとエラー出てｱﾎﾞﾝ
質が低下してるのか
- 382 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/27(日) 00:19:05 ID:MQ0XhlTh]
- 20倍速と書いてあっても誘電16倍（TYG03）のストラテジ持ってなきゃTYG03には正規の速度で書けない。
最大4倍速のドライブは確実にTYG03のストラテジは持ってないだろうから諦めるとして
20倍速のドライブは最近の奴だろうからTYG03のストラテジ持ってるはず。それで2倍速しか出ないということは
焼きソフトが古くて対応できてないとかじゃないのか？
- 383 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/27(日) 00:31:46 ID:lINJvFX0]
- 来週返品するわ
- 384 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/27(日) 00:37:15 ID:cfAx4QLK]
- 最大4倍速ドライブは同じ製品でB's Recorder GOLD BASIC7を使ってずっと4倍速で焼けてた
B'sは書き込める最大速度を勝手に調べてくれるみたいなんだけど、今回買ったのは2倍速までとしか認識してくれない
20倍速ドライブは1週間前に買ったやつでソフトはバンドルのcyberlinkのpower2go
12倍速、8倍速とテスト書込みしてもエラーの連続で2倍速でやっとちゃんと焼ける
20倍速ドライブ買ったのは4倍速ドライブが寿命なのかと思ったからなんだけどね
他のR買って検証しないと結論出ないっぽい
ﾊｧ･･･
- 385 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/27(日) 02:18:53 ID:Cb9QOpbV]
- PIO病？
- 386 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/27(日) 13:09:03 ID:r5POk0pv]
- >>385
あっ、俺、半年くらい前にそれにかかった。
どうやって治したんだっけな。
デバイスを一度削除したような…。
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- 391 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/27(日) 13:36:12 ID:DDlze2TY]
- 「PIO病」でググれ。
対処方法を紹介してくれてるサイトに当たるよ。
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- 417 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/27(日) 16:38:13 ID:6h0vZqVC]
- さてそろそろか
- 418 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/27(日) 21:11:21 ID:q+6uCMgK]
- そうだねえ。コピペスレと野次馬スレまではやったけど、
もういいかと思ったのと力つきてやめちゃったんだけど、
他にやってくださった方がいたみたいで、お手数おかけしました。
日本製がいいし小さいメーカー応援っていうことで誘電を買ってきた。
今の所自分で使っている範疇では安定して焼けているので使っています。
メーカーさんもがんがれ
- 419 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/28(月) 01:16:45 ID:mGUQe3I6]
- 同じく、報告してくれた人おつ！
- 420 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/28(月) 01:33:09 ID:7hoEhXVc]
- ２ｃｈの運営はもっと荒らし報告の様式を簡略化すべき
- 421 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/28(月) 03:43:36 ID:9UHhWLQA]
- >>420
簡略化すると何でもかんでも報告してくるｱﾌｫが沸くから無理。
あの様式はﾊﾞｶ避けの意味もあるし、どれだけその荒らしを何とかしたいという意志があるかを
測るテストの意味もある。
本当に荒らしに困っているなら面倒でも煩雑な手順を理解しようとする熱意は出るでしょ。
それが有るかどうかを見るための「ふるい」だよ。
- 422 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/28(月) 16:16:02 ID:OZlxroYO]
- 太陽誘電メディアを取り扱ってるスタートラボのページ見てきたけど
トリプルガードなんてやってたんだ・・・
ttp://startlab.co.jp/thats/concierge_06.html
製品的には一部みたいだけど。
ttp://startlab.co.jp/thats/list.asp?md=21&yt=30&lb=pb
この前ノーマルのやつを１００枚ほどかっちまったよ・・・
知っていればそっちにしたのに。
- 423 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/28(月) 17:00:38 ID:zBQ30ubi]
- 「TYG02、6倍焼きが俺の流儀」みたいな奴が多いんだけど。
8倍よりいい根拠なんて本当にあるの?
- 424 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/28(月) 17:25:19 ID:9RAZy6BT]
- >>423
CLV
- 425 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/28(月) 21:24:07 ID:yrTIAQtT]
- 教えて君の癖に生意気
2倍で焼いとけ
- 426 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/28(月) 21:35:06 ID:mGUQe3I6]
- ゲッツ！
- 427 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/28(月) 21:42:39 ID:zBQ30ubi]
- >>425
6倍であと10年焼いてろ。クズ野郎!
- 428 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/28(月) 22:05:41 ID:epYxkTSo]
- 誘電8倍DVD-Rって終わってたんだな。あ、きちんとしたThat'sパッケージ品ね。
実は中身はOPTOとかCMCでID偽装かと思うぐらい焼き品質が...
π、Optiarc、雷豚、便Qで全滅した。
- 429 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/28(月) 22:14:56 ID:TxIvYOCw]
- 8倍で焼けばいいよ。
- 430 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/29(火) 03:35:48 ID:/3YL5qiv]
- >>422
大したもんじゃないから普通ので十分だと思うよ
- 431 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/29(火) 10:26:49 ID:kvUzZIpz]
- >>428
755試せ
- 432 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/29(火) 18:00:43 ID:Xb5TGGyk]
- >>421
古い考えだな
- 433 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/29(火) 19:02:01 ID:3bOY8qtj]
- TYG03の品質が糞すぎる
焼けやしねえ・・・
- 434 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/29(火) 19:22:34 ID:8SFPyMRf]
- それはドライブが悪いと思うけど
- 435 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/29(火) 19:27:31 ID:/9kuKT3P]
- Optiarkってやたら安いんだけど、評判はどう?
最近のパイオニアはいい話を聞かないもので。
- 436 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/29(火) 20:52:47 ID:3bOY8qtj]
- 少なくとも俺の20ｘ焼き可能を謳うパイオニア製ドライブはTYG03を焼けん
- 437 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/30(水) 00:22:38 ID:wVVKL2ME]
- 日本製で焼けないはないだろ
- 438 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/30(水) 20:01:01 ID:FlINE958]
- ドライブの型番もなし、焼きソフトの名前もなしじゃ、どう考えても捏造
- 439 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/08/01(金) 17:38:10 ID:+UDzPPKT]
- おっπで誘電が焼けないわけがないわｗ
- 440 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/08/02(土) 10:14:09 ID:LzJhMWx5]
- 2倍でしか焼けないよ
- 441 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/08/02(土) 13:35:16 ID:X0UsENNe]
- やかましいわぼけ
- 442 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/08/02(土) 14:22:25 ID:+HeOVXbO]
- 最初から2倍しか選べないとかいうのは、その人間のスキルの問題でメディアのせいじゃない。
第一、ドライブは焼く前にメディアの品質状態は見ない。メディアIDだけ見てストラテジに登録されてる
倍速をユーザーに提示し選択させる。
メディアの品質に問題が有る場合の挙動は、高速で焼いてる途中で強制的に焼き速度が落とされる。
- 443 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/08/02(土) 18:42:43 ID:iVp72jQF]
- 最第倍メ
- 444 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/08/03(日) 19:42:14 ID:rDpA4bIs]
- TYG02の品質戻ってない？今日買った奴が単にあたりだっただけかな？
- 445 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/08/03(日) 21:13:48 ID:gE1U3lvj]
- 問題なのは03だろ
- 446 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/08/03(日) 21:28:14 ID:qmuvoLye]
- 使わなければどうということはない。
- 447 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/08/03(日) 21:37:10 ID:vNkWbCRt]
- でもほかにまともな品質のディスクがないからなあ
- 448 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/08/04(月) 11:24:54 ID:qzG9bDNo]
- しかも次世代ディスクは記録品質最悪ときたもんだ
- 449 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/08/04(月) 18:40:52 ID:6lcss84c]
- >444
どこで買ったかｋｗｓｋ
本当なら買うんだが。
最近の品質低下のせいで、前は焼きっぱなしだったけど今じゃ
焼いちゃ計測しちゃの繰り返しで疲れる。
03は眼中にない
- 450 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/08/05(火) 11:04:12 ID:QIeRX6IB]
- 03はホント話にならんな
下手すると怪しいメーカーの50枚980円のRにも劣る
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