『太陽誘電』専用スレ その20スピンドル

1 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/05/11(日) 12:14:09 ID:SzouoRQT] ■前スレ 『太陽誘電』専用スレ その19スピンドル pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cdr/1205656600/l50 DVD-Rもマクセルが台湾に移管が決まり、TDKは記録型ＣＤ・ＤＶＤ製品生産からの撤退 CD-Rの時と同様に唯一の日本製メディアになりそうな太陽誘電についてﾏﾀｰﾘ語るスレです コストダウンに伴い品質低下が叫ばれる中、かつての品質に戻ることはこの先あるのか？ ■関連スレ 焼いたDVD系メディアをひたすら計測するスレ Vol.10 pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cdr/1194166447/ 焼いたCD-RをひたすらCD Doctorで計測するスレその2 pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cdr/1054993776/ DVD-Rの品質を格付けするスレ　21枚目 pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cdr/1204386118/ 秋葉原　DVD-R　安売り店情報　１８号店 pc11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cdr/1183164157/ 301 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/13(日) 12:30:30 ID:pEWu6E0O] 大雑把に考えて 東芝レコーダーの焼きパワー不足が 太陽誘電ディスクの些細な製造ムラを乗り越えることができない、って感じなのかな。 短期的コストではディスクとっ変えて焼き直して、 長期的にはデッキを買い替えろというとこか…。 お金かかるね。 302 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/13(日) 12:44:02 ID:egYhJbl4] 波平なら、俺の隣で寝ているが？ 303 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/13(日) 12:57:54 ID:lUYFvvTo] 誘電で70枚近く焼いてるけど一度も失敗したことない 304 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/13(日) 13:05:12 ID:KLVERum5] >>302 マスオ乙 305 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/13(日) 19:51:42 ID:5ejsW+kR] ロットによる当たり外れはありそう。 306 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/13(日) 19:57:03 ID:50MNMyP3] 東芝（笑 307 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/14(月) 00:10:21 ID:x7T/0yjg] 新たにスピンドルCを用意して焼き。成功。 A三回連続失敗→B一発成功→A失敗→B成功→C三回連続成功 この状況でAを疑うのは自然だよな。 念のため使うの止めよう。 同一刻印、まだ20枚くらい残ってるぞ。 308 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/14(月) 00:19:52 ID:7JunY4c8] ダメロットはまとめて誘電に送ってやれ 今更代替品なんか要らんと思うかもしれないが、良品交換という目的だけじゃなく 不具合のある製品サンプルがメーカーに届くことの方が重要 まあ誘電ももうDVD-Rにはチカラ入れてないんで、送られたサンプルから不良原因の 解析なんてしないだろうけど 309 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/14(月) 12:16:41 ID:sNjP/nYn] 2008/07/07(月) 13:43:47 ID:OjV3MtiG ：2008/07/05(土) 00:52:05 ID:sY2vTbpg 2008/07/05(土) 00:51:43 ID:sY2vTbpg 2008/07/05(土) 00:46:02 ID:uLOosWa5 2008/07/05(土) 00:45:31 ID:uLOosWa5 ：2008/07/05(土) 00:44:10 ID:uLOosWa5 07/05(土) 00:43:26 ID:uLOosWa5 2008/07/05(土) 00:43:03 ID:uLOosWa5 2008/06/30(月) 14:14:52 ID:PqJ6NLxV 2008/06/30(月) 14:14:25 ID:PqJ6NLxV 2008/06/30(月) 14:13:58 ID:PqJ6NLxV 2008/06/30(月) 14:13:23 ID:PqJ6NLxV 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14:14:25 ID:PqJ6NLxV 2008/06/30(月) 14:13:58 ID:PqJ6NLxV 2008/06/30(月) 14:13:23 ID:PqJ6NLxV 2008/06/25(水) 13:23:00 ID:hh/tLn6V ：2008/06/25(水) 13:18:18 ID:hh/tLn6V 2008/06/25(水) 13:16:38 ID:hh/tLn6V /06/25(水) 13:10:17 ID:hh/tLn6V 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 329 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/15(火) 23:52:43 ID:8DuiUa3W] ｷﾓｲ 330 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/16(水) 10:56:22 ID:h+B+ryof] TYG02のセラコとプリンタブルってプリンタブルのほうが焼き品質いいのかな？ いつもセラコ買ってたんだけど、低速で焼いても品質95とか限界だったけど 試しにプリンタブル買ったら品質98！ただ単にアタリひいただけ？ 331 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/16(水) 13:23:40 ID:tQpMV5md] 何枚も焼いてそれで安定してるなら当たりなんじゃないの あんな品質の数値なんて特に意味無いけど 332 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/16(水) 15:42:04 ID:0ja/KlX5] 俺は表面に水性ペンでこれは何って書くからプリンタぶるにしているが、 品質に差が出るもんなのかね？ 333 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/16(水) 17:41:40 ID:sdjrr1Cr] 湿気ヲすいやすい 334 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/16(水) 23:42:04 ID:1z5fDB2X] 長期保存するならセラコでそ 335 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/17(木) 09:05:52 ID:3l58Ws3g] DVD-Rにセラミックコートする意味ってないじゃん 336 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/17(木) 13:51:31 ID:HD7yXrbR] なんでやねん 337 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/17(木) 14:48:42 ID:YhOlWjMk] 意味無いね 結局どれ選んでもｶﾜﾝﾈ 338 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/17(木) 16:20:07 ID:s4Mx+fZW] 不要なデータの整理方法 DVDに焼く HDDから消す DVDを割る これでさっぱり諦められるよ、お勧め! 339 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/17(木) 17:32:04 ID:goyAk7tb] 最初と最後いらなくね？ｗ 340 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/18(金) 12:17:20 ID:DEgEEN5k] 2008/07/07(月) 13:43:47 ID:OjV3MtiG ：2008/07/05(土) 00:52:05 ID:sY2vTbpg 2008/07/05(土) 00:51:43 ID:sY2vTbpg 2008/07/05(土) 00:46:02 ID:uLOosWa5 2008/07/05(土) 00:45:31 ID:uLOosWa5 ：2008/07/05(土) 00:44:10 ID:uLOosWa5 07/05(土) 00:43:26 ID:uLOosWa5 2008/07/05(土) 00:43:03 ID:uLOosWa5 2008/06/30(月) 14:14:52 ID:PqJ6NLxV 2008/06/30(月) 14:14:25 ID:PqJ6NLxV 2008/06/30(月) 14:13:58 ID:PqJ6NLxV 2008/06/30(月) 14:13:23 ID:PqJ6NLxV 2008/06/25(水) 13:23:00 ID:hh/tLn6V ：2008/06/25(水) 13:18:18 ID:hh/tLn6V 2008/06/25(水) 13:16:38 ID:hh/tLn6V /06/25(水) 13:10:17 ID:hh/tLn6V 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スタパってけっこうまじめなんだな… bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/desktop/22532.html 351 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/18(金) 21:07:23 ID:45htN5HJ] でもさ、スタパは自腹でやってたときはいいけど 商品提供企業から金もらって記事を書き始めてから つまらなくなったと思うんだよねー 352 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/20(日) 07:52:39 ID:4GMnGEDq] スタパはフリーオ使ってる？ 353 名前：働かざるもの＠ねこまんま ◆lIXNRkFWlY mailto:sage [2008/07/20(日) 14:20:17 ID:7MPsMlkR] >>350 オレは後生大事にファイル残しておく派 仕事のファイルは完璧に残しておく。以前いた会社のまでｗ なんか雛形とか、いつか使いそうな気がして。 354 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/22(火) 19:00:37 ID:2z0D3aQ0] 有機色素BD見る限り、誘電神話は終わったと思う 355 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/22(火) 19:01:07 ID:eVYwYaEE] 同感。 356 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 12:01:48 ID:y0JadYTs] 最近傷だらけの多いけど　なんか手抜いてる？ 50枚中10枚は傷あってうまく焼けないぞ。 357 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 12:39:13 ID:w1XpQy1x] 太陽誘電 DR-47WPY50BN [16倍速データ用4.7GB/プリンタブル白/50枚バルクケース] ￥1,985 (税込) 太陽誘電 DVD-R47WPYSBA [8倍速データ用DVD-R 4.7GB/プリンタブル/バルク50枚入] ￥1,999 (税込) 8倍速の方が高いけど何でなの？ あとどちらがおすすめですか？ 358 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 13:38:39 ID:k69qg1b/] えらく安いな 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9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 367 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/23(水) 20:39:16 ID:xdErrSzp] >>357 今じゃどっちも大差ないほどの微妙な品質だから、好きな方買っとけ。 368 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 21:32:56 ID:HxzWIH9V] 相性いいドライブでオススメなのある？ オプティの7200S買おうと思ってたけど スレ読む限りパイオニアのが相性いいっぽいね。 369 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/23(水) 22:46:11 ID:dBtLxjLg] アナログ用の8倍速メディアって、そろそろ生産が終わりそうかい？ 370 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/23(水) 23:06:01 ID:w1XpQy1x] >>358 >>367 レスありがとうございます 371 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/24(木) 14:01:03 ID:KY4ogWbw] 誘電のブルーレイ、評判悪いの？ DVDはまだ健在？ 372 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/24(木) 15:53:25 ID:9mzeR0RA] >>368 誘電だったらどこのドライブでも綺麗に焼けるから心配すんな 計測とかしないんだったらπで良いんじゃない？ 373 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/25(金) 21:00:21 ID:cG978f4t] >372 計測というものをしたごとがないので １から解説してくれたらやってみようかと。 374 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/25(金) 23:16:33 ID:59Z8PvQf] >>371 誘電のBD-RはLTHしかないから、使ってるヒトあんまりいないんじゃない？ 375 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/25(金) 23:32:13 ID:703BkmBo] 受身でしか学習する気の無い人には計測は無理だからやめとけ 376 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/26(土) 02:50:37 ID:xDsJQz8g] ヨドバシカメラで16倍速50枚スピンドル買ったけど2倍速でしか書き込めないよ 377 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/26(土) 08:41:47 ID:44N1k267] しらんがな 378 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/26(土) 09:33:16 ID:CDtxG0lX] し しら 379 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/26(土) 09:35:24 ID:CDtxG0lX] ん がな 380 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/26(土) 18:15:24 ID:rRYqgGMx] >>376 ドライブは対応してんのか？ 381 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/26(土) 20:36:40 ID:xDsJQz8g] 最大20倍速書込みのドライブと最大4倍速のドライブ どっちも2倍速書込みしか出来ない それ以上でやるとエラー出てｱﾎﾞﾝ 質が低下してるのか 382 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/27(日) 00:19:05 ID:MQ0XhlTh] 20倍速と書いてあっても誘電16倍（TYG03）のストラテジ持ってなきゃTYG03には正規の速度で書けない。 最大4倍速のドライブは確実にTYG03のストラテジは持ってないだろうから諦めるとして 20倍速のドライブは最近の奴だろうからTYG03のストラテジ持ってるはず。それで2倍速しか出ないということは 焼きソフトが古くて対応できてないとかじゃないのか？ 383 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/27(日) 00:31:46 ID:lINJvFX0] 来週返品するわ 384 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/27(日) 00:37:15 ID:cfAx4QLK] 最大4倍速ドライブは同じ製品でB's Recorder GOLD BASIC7を使ってずっと4倍速で焼けてた B'sは書き込める最大速度を勝手に調べてくれるみたいなんだけど、今回買ったのは2倍速までとしか認識してくれない 20倍速ドライブは1週間前に買ったやつでソフトはバンドルのcyberlinkのpower2go 12倍速、8倍速とテスト書込みしてもエラーの連続で2倍速でやっとちゃんと焼ける 20倍速ドライブ買ったのは4倍速ドライブが寿命なのかと思ったからなんだけどね 他のR買って検証しないと結論出ないっぽい ﾊｧ･･･ 385 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/27(日) 02:18:53 ID:Cb9QOpbV] PIO病？ 386 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 mailto:sage [2008/07/27(日) 13:09:03 ID:r5POk0pv] >>385 あっ、俺、半年くらい前にそれにかかった。 どうやって治したんだっけな。 デバイスを一度削除したような…。 387 名前：名無しさん◎書き込み中 [2008/07/27(日) 13:21:09 ID:hFVKv9sO] 2008/07/07(月) 13:43:47 ID:OjV3MtiG ：2008/07/05(土) 00:52:05 ID:sY2vTbpg 2008/07/05(土) 00:51:43 ID:sY2vTbpg 2008/07/05(土) 00:46:02 ID:uLOosWa5 2008/07/05(土) 00:45:31 ID:uLOosWa5 ：2008/07/05(土) 00:44:10 ID:uLOosWa5 07/05(土) 00:43:26 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