ワンピース強さ議論と雑談スレ Part68

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348:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 14:29:01 Skz7aH9sO
>>344
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349:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 14:38:47 dpgeqdad0
>0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49
>50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99
>100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149
>150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199
>200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249
>250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299
>300,301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,329,330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349
>350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399
>400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423,424,425,426,427,428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449
>450,451,452,453,454,455,456,457,458,459,460,461,462,463,464,465,466,467,468,469,470,471,472,473,474,475,476,477,478,479480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495,496,497,498,499
>500,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524,525,526,527,528,529,530,531,532,533,534,535,536,537,538,539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546,547,548,549
>550,551,552,553,554,555,556,557,558,559,560,561,562,563,564,565,566,567,568,569,570,571,572,573,574,575,576,577,578,579,580,581,582,583,584,585,586,587,588,589,590,591,592,593,594,595,596,597,598,599
>600,601,602,603,604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617,618,619,620,621,622,623,624,625,626,627,628,629,630,631,632,633,634,635,636,637,638,639,640,641,642,643,644,645,646,647,648,649
>650,651,652,653,654,655,656,657,658,659,660,661,662,663,664,665,666,667,668,669,670,671,672,673,674,675,676,677,678,679,680,681,682,683,684,685,686,687,688,689,690,691,692,693,694,695,696,697,698,699
>700,701,702,703,704,705,706,707,708,709,710,711,712,713,714,715,716,717,718,719,720,721,722,723,724,725,726,727,728,729,730,731,732,733,734,735,736,737,738,739,740,741,742,743,744,745,746,747,748,749
>750,751,752,753,754,755,756,757,758,759,760,761,762,763,764,765,766,767,768,769,770,771,772,773,774,775,776,777,778,779,780,781,782,783,784,785,786,787,788,789,790,791,792,793,794,795,796,797,798,799
>800,801,802,803,804,805,806,807,808,809,810,811,812,813,814,815,816,817,818,819,820,821,822,823,824,825,826,827,828,829,830,831,832,833,834,835,836,837,838,839,840,841,842,843,844,845,846,847,848,849
>850,851,852,853,854,855,856,857,858,859,860,861,862,863,864,865,866,867,868,869,870,871,872,873,874,875,876,877,878,879,880,881,882,883,884,885,886,887,888,889,890,891,892,893,894,895,896,897,898,899
>900,901,902,903,904,905,906,907,908,909,910,911,912,913,914,915,916,917,918,919,920,921,922,923,924,925,926,927,928,929,930,931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940,941,942,943,944,945,946,947,948,949
>950,951,952,953,954,955,956,957,958,959,960,961,962,963,964,965,966,967,968,969,970,971,972,973,974,975,976,977,978,979,980,981,982,983,984,985,986,987,988,989,990,991,992,993,994,995,996,997,998,999,1000
>1-1000>>1000

350:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 14:39:24 dpgeqdad0
>0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49
>50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99
>100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149
>150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199
>200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249
>250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299
>300,301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,329,330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349
>350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399
>400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423,424,425,426,427,428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449
>450,451,452,453,454,455,456,457,458,459,460,461,462,463,464,465,466,467,468,469,470,471,472,473,474,475,476,477,478,479480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495,496,497,498,499
>500,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524,525,526,527,528,529,530,531,532,533,534,535,536,537,538,539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546,547,548,549
>550,551,552,553,554,555,556,557,558,559,560,561,562,563,564,565,566,567,568,569,570,571,572,573,574,575,576,577,578,579,580,581,582,583,584,585,586,587,588,589,590,591,592,593,594,595,596,597,598,599
>600,601,602,603,604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617,618,619,620,621,622,623,624,625,626,627,628,629,630,631,632,633,634,635,636,637,638,639,640,641,642,643,644,645,646,647,648,649
>650,651,652,653,654,655,656,657,658,659,660,661,662,663,664,665,666,667,668,669,670,671,672,673,674,675,676,677,678,679,680,681,682,683,684,685,686,687,688,689,690,691,692,693,694,695,696,697,698,699
>700,701,702,703,704,705,706,707,708,709,710,711,712,713,714,715,716,717,718,719,720,721,722,723,724,725,726,727,728,729,730,731,732,733,734,735,736,737,738,739,740,741,742,743,744,745,746,747,748,749
>750,751,752,753,754,755,756,757,758,759,760,761,762,763,764,765,766,767,768,769,770,771,772,773,774,775,776,777,778,779,780,781,782,783,784,785,786,787,788,789,790,791,792,793,794,795,796,797,798,799
>800,801,802,803,804,805,806,807,808,809,810,811,812,813,814,815,816,817,818,819,820,821,822,823,824,825,826,827,828,829,830,831,832,833,834,835,836,837,838,839,840,841,842,843,844,845,846,847,848,849
>850,851,852,853,854,855,856,857,858,859,860,861,862,863,864,865,866,867,868,869,870,871,872,873,874,875,876,877,878,879,880,881,882,883,884,885,886,887,888,889,890,891,892,893,894,895,896,897,898,899
>900,901,902,903,904,905,906,907,908,909,910,911,912,913,914,915,916,917,918,919,920,921,922,923,924,925,926,927,928,929,930,931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940,941,942,943,944,945,946,947,948,949
>950,951,952,953,954,955,956,957,958,959,960,961,962,963,964,965,966,967,968,969,970,971,972,973,974,975,976,977,978,979,980,981,982,983,984,985,986,987,988,989,990,991,992,993,994,995,996,997,998,999,1000
>1-1000>>1000

351:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 14:39:54 dpgeqdad0
>0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49
>50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99
>100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149
>150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199
>200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249
>250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299
>300,301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,329,330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349
>350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399
>400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423,424,425,426,427,428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449
>450,451,452,453,454,455,456,457,458,459,460,461,462,463,464,465,466,467,468,469,470,471,472,473,474,475,476,477,478,479480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495,496,497,498,499
>500,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524,525,526,527,528,529,530,531,532,533,534,535,536,537,538,539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546,547,548,549
>550,551,552,553,554,555,556,557,558,559,560,561,562,563,564,565,566,567,568,569,570,571,572,573,574,575,576,577,578,579,580,581,582,583,584,585,586,587,588,589,590,591,592,593,594,595,596,597,598,599
>600,601,602,603,604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617,618,619,620,621,622,623,624,625,626,627,628,629,630,631,632,633,634,635,636,637,638,639,640,641,642,643,644,645,646,647,648,649
>650,651,652,653,654,655,656,657,658,659,660,661,662,663,664,665,666,667,668,669,670,671,672,673,674,675,676,677,678,679,680,681,682,683,684,685,686,687,688,689,690,691,692,693,694,695,696,697,698,699
>700,701,702,703,704,705,706,707,708,709,710,711,712,713,714,715,716,717,718,719,720,721,722,723,724,725,726,727,728,729,730,731,732,733,734,735,736,737,738,739,740,741,742,743,744,745,746,747,748,749
>750,751,752,753,754,755,756,757,758,759,760,761,762,763,764,765,766,767,768,769,770,771,772,773,774,775,776,777,778,779,780,781,782,783,784,785,786,787,788,789,790,791,792,793,794,795,796,797,798,799
>800,801,802,803,804,805,806,807,808,809,810,811,812,813,814,815,816,817,818,819,820,821,822,823,824,825,826,827,828,829,830,831,832,833,834,835,836,837,838,839,840,841,842,843,844,845,846,847,848,849
>850,851,852,853,854,855,856,857,858,859,860,861,862,863,864,865,866,867,868,869,870,871,872,873,874,875,876,877,878,879,880,881,882,883,884,885,886,887,888,889,890,891,892,893,894,895,896,897,898,899
>900,901,902,903,904,905,906,907,908,909,910,911,912,913,914,915,916,917,918,919,920,921,922,923,924,925,926,927,928,929,930,931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940,941,942,943,944,945,946,947,948,949
>950,951,952,953,954,955,956,957,958,959,960,961,962,963,964,965,966,967,968,969,970,971,972,973,974,975,976,977,978,979,980,981,982,983,984,985,986,987,988,989,990,991,992,993,994,995,996,997,998,999,1000
>1-1000>>1000

352:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 14:40:32 dpgeqdad0
>0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49
>50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99
>100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149
>150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199
>200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249
>250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299
>300,301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,329,330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349
>350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399
>400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423,424,425,426,427,428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449
>450,451,452,453,454,455,456,457,458,459,460,461,462,463,464,465,466,467,468,469,470,471,472,473,474,475,476,477,478,479480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495,496,497,498,499
>500,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524,525,526,527,528,529,530,531,532,533,534,535,536,537,538,539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546,547,548,549
>550,551,552,553,554,555,556,557,558,559,560,561,562,563,564,565,566,567,568,569,570,571,572,573,574,575,576,577,578,579,580,581,582,583,584,585,586,587,588,589,590,591,592,593,594,595,596,597,598,599
>600,601,602,603,604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617,618,619,620,621,622,623,624,625,626,627,628,629,630,631,632,633,634,635,636,637,638,639,640,641,642,643,644,645,646,647,648,649
>650,651,652,653,654,655,656,657,658,659,660,661,662,663,664,665,666,667,668,669,670,671,672,673,674,675,676,677,678,679,680,681,682,683,684,685,686,687,688,689,690,691,692,693,694,695,696,697,698,699
>700,701,702,703,704,705,706,707,708,709,710,711,712,713,714,715,716,717,718,719,720,721,722,723,724,725,726,727,728,729,730,731,732,733,734,735,736,737,738,739,740,741,742,743,744,745,746,747,748,749
>750,751,752,753,754,755,756,757,758,759,760,761,762,763,764,765,766,767,768,769,770,771,772,773,774,775,776,777,778,779,780,781,782,783,784,785,786,787,788,789,790,791,792,793,794,795,796,797,798,799
>800,801,802,803,804,805,806,807,808,809,810,811,812,813,814,815,816,817,818,819,820,821,822,823,824,825,826,827,828,829,830,831,832,833,834,835,836,837,838,839,840,841,842,843,844,845,846,847,848,849
>850,851,852,853,854,855,856,857,858,859,860,861,862,863,864,865,866,867,868,869,870,871,872,873,874,875,876,877,878,879,880,881,882,883,884,885,886,887,888,889,890,891,892,893,894,895,896,897,898,899
>900,901,902,903,904,905,906,907,908,909,910,911,912,913,914,915,916,917,918,919,920,921,922,923,924,925,926,927,928,929,930,931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940,941,942,943,944,945,946,947,948,949
>950,951,952,953,954,955,956,957,958,959,960,961,962,963,964,965,966,967,968,969,970,971,972,973,974,975,976,977,978,979,980,981,982,983,984,985,986,987,988,989,990,991,992,993,994,995,996,997,998,999,1000
>1-1000>>1000

353:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 14:44:15 2AiBahVd0
>>347
痛いくらいの深読み乙

354:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 14:57:17 BZhL9+oJ0
ロビン以外のゾロルフィサンジフランキーチョッパーは
ペローナに絶対的敗北をした

この戦闘描写は極めて平等だね

同じ敵にみんな敵対して
ロビン以外はみんなやられてるんだから

355:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 15:40:12 068c9+lb0
166 ：名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい：2007/09/12(水) 13:22:45 ID:ONu9t9Za0
簡易バレ

オーズに見下ろされて倒れる一味のアップ
んでまた場面はルフィｖｓモリア

モリア「おまえ自身の戦闘力で一味が滅ぶ
　　　　助けにいかなくていいのか？」
ルフィ「大丈夫だ」にやりと笑う。
モリア「？」
ルフィ「ゾロがいるから！」どん！！
　　↓
なんかゾロが立ち上がって反撃開始の模様

356:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 15:41:37 IVbQDN0K0
で？

357:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 15:46:36 2AiBahVd0
本バレだとしたらゾロ＞サンの指標になるな

358:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 15:47:33 Butc5DSyO
>>348

エネルだけ下げればいい
青記事はそのままでいい
青記事のキャラとしての重要性はミホークに負けないぐらいあるし
現時点での戦闘描写でもミホーク以上の描写がされている
ミホークの描写なんて船切ったのと東の海時のゾロ倒しただけだし

359:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 15:53:33 z+hJfx9j0
ストーリーが続けば続く程、最初の設定からの辻褄合わせが大変だね
これはワンピースに限った話ではないが・・・

360:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 15:56:15 rm00UFjA0
>>358
だよね、ミホークがその位置にいるなら雉もそこにいていいクラス

361:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 15:57:15 IVbQDN0K0
いい加減描写厨うぜぇ

362:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:01:03 2AiBahVd0
ミホークは本来なら表に載せるのもどうかってキャラなんだ。
シャンクスの格とその関係でしか参考になるものが無い。
オレとしてはミホークは保留のランク外だと思ってんだけどな。
どっちにしろ描写があるキャラと無いキャラを同じ場所には入れたらダメだぜ。ワケわからなくなる。

>>361
ならスレに来るな

363:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:16:26 dpgeqdad0
>0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49
>50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99
>100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149
>150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199
>200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249
>250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299
>300,301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,329,330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349
>350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399
>400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423,424,425,426,427,428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449
>450,451,452,453,454,455,456,457,458,459,460,461,462,463,464,465,466,467,468,469,470,471,472,473,474,475,476,477,478,479480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495,496,497,498,499
>500,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524,525,526,527,528,529,530,531,532,533,534,535,536,537,538,539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546,547,548,549
>550,551,552,553,554,555,556,557,558,559,560,561,562,563,564,565,566,567,568,569,570,571,572,573,574,575,576,577,578,579,580,581,582,583,584,585,586,587,588,589,590,591,592,593,594,595,596,597,598,599
>600,601,602,603,604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617,618,619,620,621,622,623,624,625,626,627,628,629,630,631,632,633,634,635,636,637,638,639,640,641,642,643,644,645,646,647,648,649
>650,651,652,653,654,655,656,657,658,659,660,661,662,663,664,665,666,667,668,669,670,671,672,673,674,675,676,677,678,679,680,681,682,683,684,685,686,687,688,689,690,691,692,693,694,695,696,697,698,699
>700,701,702,703,704,705,706,707,708,709,710,711,712,713,714,715,716,717,718,719,720,721,722,723,724,725,726,727,728,729,730,731,732,733,734,735,736,737,738,739,740,741,742,743,744,745,746,747,748,749
>750,751,752,753,754,755,756,757,758,759,760,761,762,763,764,765,766,767,768,769,770,771,772,773,774,775,776,777,778,779,780,781,782,783,784,785,786,787,788,789,790,791,792,793,794,795,796,797,798,799
>800,801,802,803,804,805,806,807,808,809,810,811,812,813,814,815,816,817,818,819,820,821,822,823,824,825,826,827,828,829,830,831,832,833,834,835,836,837,838,839,840,841,842,843,844,845,846,847,848,849
>850,851,852,853,854,855,856,857,858,859,860,861,862,863,864,865,866,867,868,869,870,871,872,873,874,875,876,877,878,879,880,881,882,883,884,885,886,887,888,889,890,891,892,893,894,895,896,897,898,899
>900,901,902,903,904,905,906,907,908,909,910,911,912,913,914,915,916,917,918,919,920,921,922,923,924,925,926,927,928,929,930,931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940,941,942,943,944,945,946,947,948,949
>950,951,952,953,954,955,956,957,958,959,960,961,962,963,964,965,966,967,968,969,970,971,972,973,974,975,976,977,978,979,980,981,982,983,984,985,986,987,988,989,990,991,992,993,994,995,996,997,998,999,1000
>1-1000>>1000

364:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:16:57 dpgeqdad0
>0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49
>50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99
>100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149
>150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199
>200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249
>250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299
>300,301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,329,330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349
>350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399
>400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423,424,425,426,427,428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449
>450,451,452,453,454,455,456,457,458,459,460,461,462,463,464,465,466,467,468,469,470,471,472,473,474,475,476,477,478,479480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495,496,497,498,499
>500,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524,525,526,527,528,529,530,531,532,533,534,535,536,537,538,539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546,547,548,549
>550,551,552,553,554,555,556,557,558,559,560,561,562,563,564,565,566,567,568,569,570,571,572,573,574,575,576,577,578,579,580,581,582,583,584,585,586,587,588,589,590,591,592,593,594,595,596,597,598,599
>600,601,602,603,604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617,618,619,620,621,622,623,624,625,626,627,628,629,630,631,632,633,634,635,636,637,638,639,640,641,642,643,644,645,646,647,648,649
>650,651,652,653,654,655,656,657,658,659,660,661,662,663,664,665,666,667,668,669,670,671,672,673,674,675,676,677,678,679,680,681,682,683,684,685,686,687,688,689,690,691,692,693,694,695,696,697,698,699
>700,701,702,703,704,705,706,707,708,709,710,711,712,713,714,715,716,717,718,719,720,721,722,723,724,725,726,727,728,729,730,731,732,733,734,735,736,737,738,739,740,741,742,743,744,745,746,747,748,749
>750,751,752,753,754,755,756,757,758,759,760,761,762,763,764,765,766,767,768,769,770,771,772,773,774,775,776,777,778,779,780,781,782,783,784,785,786,787,788,789,790,791,792,793,794,795,796,797,798,799
>800,801,802,803,804,805,806,807,808,809,810,811,812,813,814,815,816,817,818,819,820,821,822,823,824,825,826,827,828,829,830,831,832,833,834,835,836,837,838,839,840,841,842,843,844,845,846,847,848,849
>850,851,852,853,854,855,856,857,858,859,860,861,862,863,864,865,866,867,868,869,870,871,872,873,874,875,876,877,878,879,880,881,882,883,884,885,886,887,888,889,890,891,892,893,894,895,896,897,898,899
>900,901,902,903,904,905,906,907,908,909,910,911,912,913,914,915,916,917,918,919,920,921,922,923,924,925,926,927,928,929,930,931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940,941,942,943,944,945,946,947,948,949
>950,951,952,953,954,955,956,957,958,959,960,961,962,963,964,965,966,967,968,969,970,971,972,973,974,975,976,977,978,979,980,981,982,983,984,985,986,987,988,989,990,991,992,993,994,995,996,997,998,999,1000
>1-1000>>1000

365:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:17:31 dpgeqdad0
>0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49
>50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99
>100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149
>150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199
>200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249
>250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299
>300,301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,329,330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349
>350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399
>400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423,424,425,426,427,428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449
>450,451,452,453,454,455,456,457,458,459,460,461,462,463,464,465,466,467,468,469,470,471,472,473,474,475,476,477,478,479480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495,496,497,498,499
>500,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524,525,526,527,528,529,530,531,532,533,534,535,536,537,538,539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546,547,548,549
>550,551,552,553,554,555,556,557,558,559,560,561,562,563,564,565,566,567,568,569,570,571,572,573,574,575,576,577,578,579,580,581,582,583,584,585,586,587,588,589,590,591,592,593,594,595,596,597,598,599
>600,601,602,603,604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617,618,619,620,621,622,623,624,625,626,627,628,629,630,631,632,633,634,635,636,637,638,639,640,641,642,643,644,645,646,647,648,649
>650,651,652,653,654,655,656,657,658,659,660,661,662,663,664,665,666,667,668,669,670,671,672,673,674,675,676,677,678,679,680,681,682,683,684,685,686,687,688,689,690,691,692,693,694,695,696,697,698,699
>700,701,702,703,704,705,706,707,708,709,710,711,712,713,714,715,716,717,718,719,720,721,722,723,724,725,726,727,728,729,730,731,732,733,734,735,736,737,738,739,740,741,742,743,744,745,746,747,748,749
>750,751,752,753,754,755,756,757,758,759,760,761,762,763,764,765,766,767,768,769,770,771,772,773,774,775,776,777,778,779,780,781,782,783,784,785,786,787,788,789,790,791,792,793,794,795,796,797,798,799
>800,801,802,803,804,805,806,807,808,809,810,811,812,813,814,815,816,817,818,819,820,821,822,823,824,825,826,827,828,829,830,831,832,833,834,835,836,837,838,839,840,841,842,843,844,845,846,847,848,849
>850,851,852,853,854,855,856,857,858,859,860,861,862,863,864,865,866,867,868,869,870,871,872,873,874,875,876,877,878,879,880,881,882,883,884,885,886,887,888,889,890,891,892,893,894,895,896,897,898,899
>900,901,902,903,904,905,906,907,908,909,910,911,912,913,914,915,916,917,918,919,920,921,922,923,924,925,926,927,928,929,930,931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940,941,942,943,944,945,946,947,948,949
>950,951,952,953,954,955,956,957,958,959,960,961,962,963,964,965,966,967,968,969,970,971,972,973,974,975,976,977,978,979,980,981,982,983,984,985,986,987,988,989,990,991,992,993,994,995,996,997,998,999,1000
>1-1000>>1000

366:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:18:52 Zhy/75Vd0
>>335
描画だと掴んだら引っ張られてないように俺にはみえた
引っ張られつづけてるならそのままブラックホールに入れちゃえば最強だな

367:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:27:39 IVbQDN0K0
>>362
もういいけど、自分が糞な流れの発端を作ってるのはせめて自覚しろ。
お前のように描写での結果のみで語るのに、議論や考察は全く必要ないんだ。
予想があっての議論であり考察なわけで、描写があったらそこで直せばいい。
かなりの確率であり得る話も描写が無いで否定。しまいにゃ自分に都合のいいテンプレだけ持ち出して
予想なんか無駄だと・・・341の様にこれでどうだ？的なレスに対して、描写がない描写がないで全否定
繁栄したはずの議論も雑談も全部その一言で流れぶった斬って楽しいのか？

368:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:29:15 2AiBahVd0
最初に建物をたくさん吸い込んでｸﾞﾁｬｸﾞﾁｬﾍﾟｯってやってたよな。
なんでエースにアレやらなかったんだろ。
やってれば確実にエースより上に位置づけされるのに。

369:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:29:28 UpcnSKUV0
武器無し能力者では無いという点で個人的に、サンジ

370:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:33:22 2AiBahVd0
>>367
公平な意見が出せずに反論できないヤツの常套台詞だな。
論破されれば喚くだけ。よくいるよ、お前みたいなヤツ。
自分に都合のいいテンプレ？繁栄したはずの議論の流れを斬る？
ちょっとでもマトモな反論出来てから言えよ。

371:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:34:35 l7qBBQG7O
>>368
生物は吸い込めないという縛りでもあるのか、
海軍に引き渡すつもりだったからあえて吸い込まなかったか。

まぁどちらにせよ「描写がない」んだから、論じても意味ないだろ？

372:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:36:38 2AiBahVd0
>>371
途中までは同じように吸えるのに飲み込めないってのは非常に不可解だが、残念ながらそうなるな。
描写待ちだ。

373:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:37:10 e3Q9W3QS0
ところでロビンってベローナの能力効くのかな。
ロビンってウソップ並みにネガティブだと思うんだが。

ゴーストに1度でいいからロビンを通り抜けて欲しかった。
どうみても前向きな連中はともかくウソップ以外で1番ネガティブなロビン
を通り抜けないのは・・・・気になるじゃないか。

374:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:38:00 UpcnSKUV0
>>368
性格からして余裕のハッタリみたいなモノとか

375:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:41:36 2AiBahVd0
ウソップのゴースト耐性は
・主人公補正(vsクロコダイルのルフィ等)は考慮しない。
コレに引っかかるかもな。コレは自分ひとりでは決められないから要議論。

376:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:44:26 dpgeqdad0
>0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49
>50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99
>100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149
>150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196,197,198,199
>200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249
>250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299
>300,301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,329,330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349
>350,351,352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371,372,373,374,375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399
>400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420,421,422,423,424,425,426,427,428,429,430,431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449
>450,451,452,453,454,455,456,457,458,459,460,461,462,463,464,465,466,467,468,469,470,471,472,473,474,475,476,477,478,479480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492,493,494,495,496,497,498,499
>500,501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508,509,510,511,512,513,514,515,516,517,518,519,520,521,522,523,524,525,526,527,528,529,530,531,532,533,534,535,536,537,538,539,540,541,542,543,544,545,546,547,548,549
>550,551,552,553,554,555,556,557,558,559,560,561,562,563,564,565,566,567,568,569,570,571,572,573,574,575,576,577,578,579,580,581,582,583,584,585,586,587,588,589,590,591,592,593,594,595,596,597,598,599
>600,601,602,603,604,605,606,607,608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616,617,618,619,620,621,622,623,624,625,626,627,628,629,630,631,632,633,634,635,636,637,638,639,640,641,642,643,644,645,646,647,648,649
>650,651,652,653,654,655,656,657,658,659,660,661,662,663,664,665,666,667,668,669,670,671,672,673,674,675,676,677,678,679,680,681,682,683,684,685,686,687,688,689,690,691,692,693,694,695,696,697,698,699
>700,701,702,703,704,705,706,707,708,709,710,711,712,713,714,715,716,717,718,719,720,721,722,723,724,725,726,727,728,729,730,731,732,733,734,735,736,737,738,739,740,741,742,743,744,745,746,747,748,749
>750,751,752,753,754,755,756,757,758,759,760,761,762,763,764,765,766,767,768,769,770,771,772,773,774,775,776,777,778,779,780,781,782,783,784,785,786,787,788,789,790,791,792,793,794,795,796,797,798,799
>800,801,802,803,804,805,806,807,808,809,810,811,812,813,814,815,816,817,818,819,820,821,822,823,824,825,826,827,828,829,830,831,832,833,834,835,836,837,838,839,840,841,842,843,844,845,846,847,848,849
>850,851,852,853,854,855,856,857,858,859,860,861,862,863,864,865,866,867,868,869,870,871,872,873,874,875,876,877,878,879,880,881,882,883,884,885,886,887,888,889,890,891,892,893,894,895,896,897,898,899
>900,901,902,903,904,905,906,907,908,909,910,911,912,913,914,915,916,917,918,919,920,921,922,923,924,925,926,927,928,929,930,931,932,933,934,935,936,937,938,939,940,941,942,943,944,945,946,947,948,949
>950,951,952,953,954,955,956,957,958,959,960,961,962,963,964,965,966,967,968,969,970,971,972,973,974,975,976,977,978,979,980,981,982,983,984,985,986,987,988,989,990,991,992,993,994,995,996,997,998,999,1000
>1-1000>>1000

377:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:52:27 2AiBahVd0
まぁアレだ。ここは他の強さ議論スレと違って雑談も出来る。
レスする奴が考えた予想とか進展を自由に言い合える。
だがランク表に反映されるのは情報としていちばん確実な公平客観的描写だ。
今まで真剣にそうやってきたんだから、いきなり違う方法でランク変えろって言われてもそりゃ無理だろ。
それがやりたいんだったら、まず考察方法の変更を提案しろってことだ。

378:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 16:53:03 dlrLPUhM0
>>375
まぁひっかかるな
ゴーストにルフィ達が触れたのも逆に主人公補正な気がする
戦闘モードだったらあんなに簡単にゴーストが触れるか疑問

379:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 17:23:25 TSFvm5330
ゴーストに触れたら全滅だ、つまり全員死亡だとわかっていても
ゾロサンジフランキーはゴーストをよけることは彼らにとって不可能だった

ロビンはゴーストにふれるとよくないのではとロビンが唯一気付いてから
それからずっとゴーストを避け続けている

ロビンにとって数多くのゴーストをよけるのは可能なことだった

一味全員死亡すると認識しててゴーストをよけられない人と
完璧にゴーストをよけるロビンの戦力差が決定的にあるよね

380:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 17:42:47 Zhy/75Vd0
>>371 >>372 >>374
悪魔の実の能力者を確実に引きつけるのは黒渦という技のみ
その他の技では確実には引き付けられない
ロギア・・・エースだったら炎、エネルだったら雷になればいい、逃げられる
パラミシア・・・一瞬で逃げられる（剃とか）遠くに
エースも言ってた、『捕まんなきゃいいんだろ』
そこで黒渦だ！
黒髭が己の能力に過信するロギア、ゾオン、パラミシアに防御不可能の力を得た
みたいなこと言ってた。

もちろん描画なしのセリフからの予想が大半で確実ではないけどこの位はいいだろ

381:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 17:58:47 l7qBBQG7O
何が言いたいのかさっぱり

382:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 18:08:48 gOWYITmb0
ドーパミンが出すぎたのだろう

383:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 18:09:00 IVbQDN0K0
ランクに直結しない、想像でしかない。

どうせこんな事しか言って来ない。相手にしないほうがいい

384:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 18:17:10 gOWYITmb0
何が言いたいのかさっぱり

385:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 18:52:17 1aG6hgGu0
>>355
これマジかよ？！！！
そうだろう？やっぱゾロだよなあ？！！！

386:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 19:55:40 +urzD+MG0
主人公だからルフィ最強だと思うよ。
誰にも負けないでしょ。

387:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 20:03:09 1aG6hgGu0
ドラクエに例えたら
ルフィ勇者　ゾロ戦士　サンジ武闘家　ナミ魔法使い　チョッパー僧侶　ロビン賢者　フランキー商人　ウソップ盗賊

388:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 20:04:01 iQt3q/db0
まだやってたの？
>>383は何をスネてるんだか。>>377は大正論じゃん。
そんなに嫌がる人が多いなら、一旦ここらへんで考察方法を考え直してみる？
ランク表は暫定とは言え、仮にもスレ住人の総意なんだからさ。
ただ、過去にも主観重視で議論して荒れまくった果てに今の考察方法が出来上がったってことも考えて方法を出してくれよ。
いっそランク制を廃止して強さ議論の雑談のみにする手もあるな。少なくとも恒常的に荒れることが無くなる。

389:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 20:05:13 1aG6hgGu0
ランキングが嫌なら無視すりゃいいじゃん
無視できないくらい嫌ならあぼ～ん

390:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 20:39:38 1aG6hgGu0
ドラクエに例えたら②

　　　　　　　　
　　　　　　　　　ルフィ　　ゾロ　　サンジ　　ナミ　　ﾁｮｯﾊﾟｰ　　ロビン　　ﾌﾗﾝｷｰ　　ｳｿｯﾌﾟ
ちから　　　　　　9　　　　10　　　　8　　　　　4　　　　5　　　　　　4　　　　　7　　　　　 3
すばやさ　　　　 7　　　　　5　　　　.9　　　　　5　　　　6　　　　　　7　　　　　5　　　　　10
みのまもり　　　 9　　　　10　　　　8　　　　　3　　　　5　　　　　　5　　　　　7　　　　　 5
かしこさ　　　　　6　　　　　3　　　　.6　　　　　9　　　　8　　　　　 10　　　　　7　　　　　 6
うんのよさ　　　. 8　　　　　4　　　　.5　　　　　5　　　　4　　　　　　3　　　　　7　　　　　10
最大HP　　　　 .10　　　　 10　　　 .8　　　　　5　　　　7　　　　　　6　　　　 .10　　　　　6
最大MP　　　　 10　　　　　3　　　　4　　　　 10　　　　8　　　　　 10　　　　　3　　　　　.3

こんなもんだろｗ

391:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 20:44:48 D7aKOwzX0
ルフィ＞ゾロ＞サンジ＞フランキー＞ロビン＞チョッパー＞ウソップ＞ナミ
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　↑
　　　　　　　　　　　　　ブルック

392:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 20:46:10 d9o80kPl0
身の守りはフランキーが１０、ゾロが８くらいだよ！だって鉄でできてるんだぜ！

393:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 20:46:59 iQt3q/db0
前だけなｗ

394:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 20:53:21 1aG6hgGu0
>>392
フランキーの鉄は装備
ルフィのギアは魔法ねｗ

395:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 20:57:45 iQt3q/db0
ギアは「とくぎ」のがシックリこない？

396:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 21:24:50 THWyJItQ0
大体のイメージ

　　　　　　　　パワー　スピード　防御　頭脳　体力　補正　総合
ルフィ　　　　Ａ　　　　Ａ　　　　　Ｃ　　　Ｃ　　　Ａ　　　Ｓ　　　Ａ　　　
ゾロ　　　　　Ｓ　　　　Ｂ　　　　　Ｂ　　　Ｄ　　　Ｓ　　　Ｓ　　　Ａ
サンジ　　　Ａ　　　　Ａ　　　　　Ｃ　　　Ｃ　　　Ａ　　　Ａ　　　Ａ
ロビン　　　　Ｄ　　　　Ｃ　　　　　Ｄ　　　Ａ　　　Ｃ　　　Ｄ　　　Ｂ
フランキー　Ｂ　　　　Ｃ　　　　　Ａ～ＣＢ　　　Ｃ　　　Ｂ　　　Ｂ
ナミ　　　　　Ｄ　　　　Ｅ　　　　　Ｄ　　　Ｓ　　　Ｄ　　　Ｓ　　　Ｃ
チョッパー　Ｃ　　　　Ｃ　　　　Ｃ　　　Ｂ　　Ｃ　　　Ｂ　　Ｃ
ウソップ　　Ｅ　　　　Ｄ～Ｓ　　Ｓ　　　Ａ　　　Ｓ　　　Ａ　　　Ｄ

397:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 21:25:57 1aG6hgGu0
ドラクエに例えたら②

　　　　　　　そうび　　　　　特技・呪文

ルフィ　　ｺﾞﾑｺﾞﾑの実　　ギア2・3

ゾロ　　　和道一文字三刀流剣術
　　　　　 .三代鬼鉄
　　　　　 .秋水

サンジ　　なし　　　　　　　悪魔風脚
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　調理

ナミ　　　　クリマタクト　　電光槍ﾃﾝﾎﾟ
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　航海術

ﾁｮｯﾊﾟｰ　　ﾗﾝﾌﾞﾙﾎﾞｰﾙ　　へんしん
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　医術

ロビン　　　ﾊﾅﾊﾅの実　　ｻﾌﾞﾐｯｼｮﾝ
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　古代文字解読
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　暗殺

ﾌﾗﾝｷｰ　　ｽﾄﾛﾝｸﾞﾗｲﾄ　　　風来砲
　　　　　　　ｳｴﾎﾟﾝｽﾞﾚﾌﾄ　　造船
　　　　　　　鉄の体　　　　　兵器開発
　　　　　　　その他

ｳｿｯﾌﾟ　　　カブト　　　　　　狙撃
　　　　　　　ダイアル　　　　武器工作

398:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 21:26:44 RNU0VfAg0
フランキーはパワー相当だろ

399:尾田
07/09/12 21:36:11 1aG6hgGu0
うん。いいよ。それで。

400:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 21:49:28 1aG6hgGu0
さてと．．．

401:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 22:17:30 8sL397tf0
ロギア同士の戦いはタブーだったりして、、、

402:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 22:27:05 5JU7Pm500
>>396ゾロオタおつ

403:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 22:51:32 D7aKOwzX0
>>390
普通にすばやさルフィ＞サンジ
身の守りはゴムのルフィと刀のゾロ、鋼鉄のフランキーが高い
MPってなんだよ

404:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/12 23:00:32 1aG6hgGu0
>>397を見てくれ
ゴムから得られる能力は装備とすますた。
MPはなんだろ～
ギアや火焔や悪魔を使える回数とかかな

ちなみにフランキーは鋼鉄でなく鉄です。

405:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/13 00:12:30 HyE49K4m0
ノロノロの実ってスゲーと思うんだ。
いや、マジで。

406:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/13 01:50:53 UzpXemZK0
黒ひげのヤミヤミの実の能力は最強クラスで、黒ひげも最強クラスだけど、どうやったら倒せるんだろ？
白兵戦最強クラスじゃなきゃ無理っぽいなあ。
ルッチだったら相性的に勝てるかも？

407:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/13 01:51:01 XYPBdq6qO
ルフィ、ゾロ、クリーク、アーロン、巨人、人チョッパー、ドルトン、Mr4、ヤマ、ブルーノ、フランキー、ガープ、アブ

剛腕力イメージはこんなかな

408:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/13 04:15:07 Hd/UsvsOO
ワポルだが、
ロビン並みに頭よかったらある意味最強になれたのになｗ
歴史の本文を解読→古代兵器ﾌﾟﾙﾄﾝとﾎﾟｾｲﾄﾞﾝ発見→バクバクで食べちゃう→人間古代兵器完成ｗｗ

ただ古代兵器は島を軽く消し飛ばすほどの力だから、自滅する可能は大かｗｗ

409:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/13 04:58:11 /z55HVN+O
>>407
あとはっちゃんとか
岩礁移動させたり大きいサイズの海王類を担いで走れる
あとヤマは体重は凄いが自身のパワーはあんま無さそう

410:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/13 05:30:16 Dn/P6TU60
>>407　ライオンとか鉄檻ぶちやぶったし相当なパワーじゃない？

411:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/13 05:46:29 /z55HVN+O
そういやリッチーも鉄檻簡単にブチ破ってたな
スゲエｗ

412:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/13 06:20:12 P2aybWlx0
>>408
＞歴史の本文を解読→古代兵器ﾌﾟﾙﾄﾝとﾎﾟｾｲﾄﾞﾝ発見

これができないから
みんな苦労してんじゃねーか　クロコもスパンダムも・・・

オマエ馬鹿？

413:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/13 06:44:54 zQuKgQSh0
頭よかったらって書いてあるだろｗ

414:名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい
07/09/13 07:37:19 ZTKgyAR70
>>406
まだ出てきてもいない残りの海軍の2大将と、恐らく海軍で一番強いセンゴクや、空の気候を支配できる
ドラゴンとかを差し置いて、執拗以上に黒髭最強説を支持する奴って馬鹿？

黒髭は所詮、今後登場する最強クラスキャラの噛ませ犬に過ぎない。どうせお前らヤミヤミを遥かに凌ぐ能力
が出てきたら、手のひら返して黒髭を批判するんだろ！

まあ、島1つの半分の攻撃力（エースと同等で100m前後）しか持っていない雑魚黒髭が、数十km先に攻撃力が及ぶ
青雉やエネルに勝てるという発想自体、低レベルだな。

ひいき目に見ても、青雉＞ミホーク＞エネル＞＞＞＞＞黒髭＞エース　　ぐらいの差があるぞ。

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